Today's topic is very controversial Rooney rule in the NFL how does that affect African American coaches. And general managers and coordinators as well. Here -- the very esteemed panel Peter -- the athletic director at Northeastern University. Bob Ryan longtime columnist for the Boston Globe and Cedric Maxwell former Celtic. And guys this has been something that is has caused a lot of debates the Rooney rule and the idea is before. An NFL team hires a new head coach doesn't affect coordinated right now it may after this offseason but Patrick team. Before team hires a head coach has to interview at least. One minority candidate. And this year there were lots of vacancies in the front office. And on the field fifteen to be exact. And zero. African American hires Bob Ryan. Doesn't really roll work. First of automotive always there was always people who knew that they were token in an interviewees to start with it was always -- Sheehan aspect to it. The way some teams -- after the start with obviously. The idea of the rules it is very very. They aren't logical and and and necessary and I was just say this I can't speak for the NFL and why is. Dangerous the way they are contrasted to the NBA is such an astonishing contrast to the NBA where four. Forty years call back 45 years whom backed up and Bill Russell -- there have been so many black coaches. Are black coaches fired and replaced by black coaches. Ops fewer guys not just -- guys people don't remember that where there were coaches and it just so it's such a normal occurrence in the pen in the front office and NFL as it is so far behind -- that -- somewhere out there guys is -- next Mike Tomlin is on somebody step and then I can't believe they can find. I edit it -- Peter that Bob mentions Mike Tomlin yet. Mike Tomlin working for the religious right and the release it brought -- -- I don't think they expected to hire him now Mike Tomlin blew them away and energy. You and gets the benefit of our rule is you get exposure to people that you wouldn't ordinarily. Exposure self too if you didn't have to. We would like to think that you wouldn't have to because it's a meritocracy. People earned the reputation. They get the opportunity due to interview for the job for the job but. It hadn't been that way so they implement the rule to force organizations to have to seek out. Minority candidates and the hope is that once someone gets exposed even if they don't hire them they may pick up the phone and say. We didn't Hiram here's the reason why but the -- a superstar do you really should talk to this -- Herm Edwards same thing never was a coordinator. When he was in Tampa Bay with Tony Dungy -- and the Jets brought him up. He blew them away and they changed their their. Direction and they hired him and he proved to be a pretty good hire. I think the Rooney rule does work. Because I imagine if you didn't have the bedroom a big marry anybody -- the road in Rome -- an -- I don't think Mike Tomlin. Isn't that that's maybe Tony Dungy got that this neither Max what do you think of that to me what what what's the story here hit for somebody to hire. A coach whether he's like a black you're forced to do it nobody. What why that -- for fifteen here. Any rule they give minorities an opportunity. To be seen to me is a good rule because as this analysts say it. If you get a chance to in the view. There's no telling what might happen if you don't and you outside that door and you never in the view didn't. It goes from not so I'm I'm on the side of you that this spoken from time to time. You might find something out that you did not know so to me. I like the rule. I would like for -- go a little bit further but at the same time the rule at least opens or not more than that's -- the door for some candidate beginning. It and I think also. Maybe it's a perception thing. Where do you think -- head coach football coach or an offensive coordinator defensive coordinator what do you think they deserve to be called geniuses are not. The fact is we talk about genius in Bruins and coach. Very often we're talking about. White coaches and like coordinators -- you you tell me the last black coordinator black coach who was described as a genius. And -- and it Eddie Robinson. I know it's OK okay. I thought yeah that's good as a B I think there are lots of out of the box tires and it happened John gruden and and I'm not criticizing John gruden was out of box higher. A young guy taking over in Oakland -- a -- -- a job Harbaugh was an out of the box either but I think you have to have more out of the box tires. With black coaches well. If you have a league that is dominated. By minorities. Or to dominate about people of color I think there has to be more than one or more than two hit coaches in that position. I don't care how people related. There's still something about the way hit coach Meyer did and apply differently the black player that he would with a -- -- Okay we -- the Rooney rule problem and we haven't taught we have talked about general managers that that's for the next one. Expect you guys.