What's happened and everyone welcome to another edition of celtics' talked to be on Kyle Draper joined by CS NNE dot com Celtics insider he's a -- likely. -- CS NNE dot com columnist rich Levine make sure you it is out on Twitter hash tags Celtics talked. And also you can follow us to rod BCS said rich underscored Levine and Kyle art Draper as you -- your questions. First when guys I've been calling break. For trading -- and costing us a better three years later they wake up and say we need a big to ride. Out of not a big fan of the trade when it happens you remember that I hear me well I've. Think most of us who follow this team we're big fans -- because you know we can't point to the one thing that Doc Rivers went into and that is they had not lost the playoff -- When they had the big Fella in there. -- yeah me. -- -- jealous and he hasn't aussies have. Does that you have to flip the present and the future flew by moving our mindset was that. You can still compete right now we're just looking for because if you look now -- Wallace then you need guys that have the versatility of a Jeff Green. Now whether he's getting it done employee went -- to be -- that's a different story -- that straight coming back to haunt the Celtics right. I don't know I think -- I think it's been so and so there's so far in the past I don't know amid that -- Jeff greens the year I think it's talking in a little bit out of the lack lack of cart. Maybe right now but over the course of the last two and a half years I'm not sure if that's necessary it is but like. There's there's no question that you need a big men especially if Chris Wilcox is. Is suddenly in the dug us a little bit and and you get him Garnett and you have there's men and how the legends that isn't all that yeah that they need something -- -- I speaking of big -- rumors have Jefferson on the clock and you saw it seen it go after him after January 13. Who would it take what do you think rich big Al coming back to Boston -- yeah at a Pacers gonna get a -- -- days and then this year so maybe you can. -- trying to work out something like afraid to start directing him I don't know -- you can you tell us still have him there one down about five under on up in necessarily gonna throw in the tallest mean you have to give them something significant. And I don't really think -- of except the pieces that to make that happen right now I think we. Look at Utah this year I mean they. Typically don't just give up -- guys who are that there has to be some added motivation emulate wooden at -- royal few years back. Carlos and -- butted heads so Carlos was out that was that. How I don't think you've got any of those type of pitchers -- like resentment there above her around 500 which basically is where they're gonna be all year. I'm glad you attic and there's not -- the Celtics roster or -- guys. The fact that you topics that all of a sudden make him one of the upper Echelon teams out west so that's the case what's in it for Utah. Or even help for the future is imminent and Gary Williams they got favors backers are gonna and you know I got eagle -- is probably why -- seeing him. Out right and how close off the books -- I mean really you're gonna they're gonna have an opportunity fill that -- anyway I mean maybe the Celtics are players and a free agent market for a big guy after the season. Why did Jeff Reed only played fourteen minutes vs Cleveland to win a championship we need him to have a big -- sure I would things. -- He is not but he's not gonna beat. At 1718. Point per game score every night he is gonna go through slumps where he's going to play poorly Doc Rivers is Smart enough to know. If my guys not playing good. He's not gonna play -- talk about -- a few games ago that you know they're going to be some -- with some guys just aren't gonna play that much and it's not going to be anything personal. Is about production and Jeff Green. Basic needs that especially is not in the got passed with his other races got taken nine million dollars a year ago I think he's supposed to be your leader of the day. -- and it is nothing you can do about that I mean obviously at this point but it's a case that they need to have a big role in the title as we is that. He's deserve a big role bird for them to -- island right now. He's just not playing that well I mean it stretches it comes out -- -- and looks all right but you know and general he says he's just not all there I think that's the best way aggressive but it. You plans on shouldn't be dictated by page you know look at a guy like old news now Elliot Soto live in Detroit he's taken big out -- and there's a reason why. He doesn't plan package just. Compound compound the contract and I think that that player out there I let's move on guys to hash it out Rodham starting with you screwed up. Oscar's. Time I know everyone is in the giving move but the Celtics have been a little too giving particularly when it comes. The winning games they've given away at least four games this year and they know we know everyone knows is to be at least. 567 years of my -- it is time that -- stop now it's Ruth's time you read. Don't give away any of that more games aren't rich doctors orders. Against a throw all the -- the struggles I -- at a relatively because there's still above 500 but the what I love about top three years is he told them how it is. It was some coaches in the team's playing bad or playing a playing well they'll speaks the media and not exactly sure he's being honest. But -- I -- the Chicago -- -- about the team is that we're just not a good team right now and I think that. Through all the speculation that we do it in the media everywhere in the media. I think the best test the other subs are actually playing. Is really to listen adopt because he might when it comes to injuries and some other things maybe he's a little bit cloudy but when it comes to how he feels about his team. -- he's a 100% honest I think. I have my -- -- out topic guys -- chemistry 101 in. I feel like come back and wrestling chemistry class with this team I mean we talk and speculate H -- no we didn't need to hybrids -- an an oxygen. To make some water -- for the Celtics. They -- put it all these new players there right now chemistry seems to be a problem the players he was added in the locker room sure doctors trying to tinker with the lineup but the players themselves or trying to figure themselves out. At least a third into the season. I was you've been moving it pays off the buzz around the association. Rich how much better right now is the west and the east. A -- in Miami at the top of the matches I guess directed at the top but everyone's mind that man that the top I think. That is that he's a little -- I think everyone's still kind of believes that you know it's -- -- the champions have come out of the is. But I mean they're just so many teams. Out there that that if there and it has been like Pittsburgh for almost ten years -- -- and -- there and he's there'd be dominant for so many of those teams that there in that the Atlantic. You know they've been there would be another potentially you know when the division I think in general the other a lot better but at the top I think he still has the best. Rod is the west clearly -- better yet the west is clearly better and I look at the teams that are kind of emerging that have been in the crap for so long seems like Golden State and Minnesota it was very I mean you put those teams in the east and they're probably. Looking -- playing for home court advantage whereas Al west they -- probably going to be one of the -- it and so it's a lot. Deeper out west but I still think when you talk about the upper Echelon teams. You gotta look at Miami and -- that -- thing you -- -- New York in and it makes me it would it would to me it's. Doesn't feel right that is isn't so I know because by Jason Kidd. Tyson Chandler they got guys that have won the champion's father time at brother Jason Kidd Carmelo is I don't the hell -- -- -- aren't. He goes back we said before the bottom are when he comes back how's it gonna change things he says he's willing to -- have been -- Yeah yeah I think a big deal that. And just decade I don't wanna massively different it is drumming up efforts even if it's like point 15 meant tonight the start soon I can do with the bands. And what's anyway he's he's thirty years older if not about the turned thirty yet he's never won anything I think it's time he wants the the step up and do any good anyway I'd go back to which arise that don't live or maybe you even don't let the paycheck me dictate the play at. I -- see a hundred million dollars or Amare Stoudemire. Awaiting sentencing when it is okay yeah I let it it. -- keep it moving on the great slate of games up on Christmas Day guys Boston Brooklyn New York Lakers OKC Miami Houston Chicago Denver clips. -- which one. Are you most important aside from the one that I'll be and broke I think that Oklahoma City Miami game and I like the fact that both of those teams. Let's be honest there's going to be a little bit of angst against each other because they know. But I have to go to one another to get back in the championship in Miami and easy. -- Pittsburgh and the -- I think you've got some beautiful you know he's caught a lot of heat for being a little too buddy buddy LeBron. I think it was so okay he's a friend I bust my. -- by half. -- what about. I -- of this other stuff I like rod that's about say that mix. -- Lakers. I knew it it a little bit different -- a mystery you know -- doesn't -- -- -- -- Miami in -- is cute but if you like drama if you -- -- in. If you want you know potential. -- disaster. I think I think the Lakers get blown out and home court on Christmas Day. I've yet that would be a lot of on the lot but that's as opposed to be back right now yeah. Aided and even then clearly program even when he does come back I'll put him in the same categories that you ran in Boston will help Blake is he really going to be insane. I think it resisters. You -- I. I hate it you had to give a present to a player's right who would you give it to what would -- -- Would not give a single player president if they make enough money they've got they don't need presence. I would give a present to Doc Rivers I would give him the most the strongest. 100%. -- -- -- -- Who possible because he's got a lot of nice pieces that he clearly has yet to figure out how to bring them all together it is nice of a -- All those pieces together so he can make a portrait in the image of a team that we were told. We've seen this year but last I checked. Violence wise that's not all of this now is that what about you. Yeah Mohammed changed up because Valentine -- right like Avery and give it a protective bubble and I think the -- evolve -- -- -- to welcome aren't signed up. Because this is the guy I think he really has the makings of stars. But he can stay health. You know it's it's it's it's a bunch of little injuries here I'm out of the shoulder with the one I just want from the time he comes back. It ended this year we'll start with -- one year to stay healthy show what you can do it to the end of the year and I think. You know I think the Celtics picture look like there we got him and run -- the backcourt. I would do if Kobe Bryant the trip to the fountain and Kobe Bryant one of all time favorite players now it's clear it out. His career is coming into it and he still put up major numbers. I just can't imagine in NBA without Kobe and a few years on what the -- At 28 where he still in his prime and he's still playing well -- like that -- -- few more years experience I'm a little. I'm using LL LL get a good trip to Germany -- -- idea -- yeah exactly get those needs work gaudy come back and you've got -- -- that'll do it for this we felt we thought he'd be make sure. 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