Celtics Talk TV: Has Jeff Green turned the corner?
Tue, 11 Dec 2012|
Kyle Draper, A. Sherrod Blakely, and Rich Levine bring you another episode episode of 'Celtics Talk TV' where they debate whether or not Jeff Green has turned the corner.
What's happening -- -- welcome to another edition of celtics' top TV on Kyle Draper joined by CS NNE dot com Celtics insider -- rut lately. And rich Levine of CS NNE dot com as well make sure you had a couple of Twitter aspect -- that stock. Rat BCS and reached underscore it would mean Kyle art Draper and -- as we got to start with an injury update. On the Celtics this guy right here -- there and -- wants to know Celtics are looking do what's the timetable. On. Avery grabbed it and I said I can't wait -- None of us and wait for this got to get back he's going to be -- used to play you know. His time -- right now he's supposed to be back in December at the latest talk that Danny -- about this Danny is hoping to have him back on the floor at some point -- After just a few practices. And possibly those sorts. They had me on that you have a -- he's progressing -- with the Celtics feel that they can actually don't public about. Rich what kind of impact will Brantley have once he comes back. I think the biggest impact missing nets and Celtics fans -- most excited for is that he gives us of is that as it is right now. Teams -- -- not -- the Celtics went to the floor but that there's no real reason to give me the kind of guy that you you fear. All right not there's always -- you you don't want to have to -- -- -- up -- the -- you look forward to -- -- got a guy doing that tonight. They're just that little bit of an edge that makes teams a little bit uncomfortable and that's just you know can set everything up and just -- Jameer Nelson that right yes Asian -- -- career with one game as well are the next one comes from will Michael I have it's gonna take -- -- to convince me Courtney -- outside shot. Shooting is going to get better so rich. If Bradley comes back is leave that guy on the outside looking. I think so I think I think regardless of the shot and maybe get a you know it to maintain a little bit more of his plans after -- -- I -- history shows that youth and it. I think you know maybe it's just the spot you put themselves into a little but you know regardless I think when it was back he's got to meet -- happy about -- is gonna lose some minutes. The -- thirteen and that it is. So yeah I mean the he's the got at that rich strap for some stats -- back I'll let you -- get thrown at the trees. Reducer electricity -- back. The reality is what you see on the floor -- go play. We're Gaza whether it relative American I think Barbosa is going to be the odd man out because the one thing about the Celtics team and we all know this. They'd have to establish a defensive identity Barbosa. I'll love the buckets. He's not a defendant. He's just not that's not who is Courtney Lee is as good as they've Bradley but he certainly better than Barbosa I think with Avery Bradley back -- it makes I think that's gonna help Courtney Lee actually more than anything else because it takes a lot of that pressure off being. They'll lock down defender that frankly I just don't think Courtney Lee is it -- -- and just be the player that he yet he has Chirac Bruins girl 33 wants to know what do you think is the reason behind Paul Pierce's free throw punk that's been plaguing him all season has has been it's been that bad I don't think he's been that bad. I'm appearances is going to be there got it she's in the mid 70s80s. If Estes who yes I'm -- -- of the way Paul is moving up there I don't think Paul has that ability to beat guys off the -- as much as he has in the past and as we know the Celtics like Reynolds I still play football and Paul does I I just don't think has the ability to really. Take over games in that capacity to -- Rich I I did my own research I bet I just shooting more shots per game that he did. The entire time the Big Three were together from 2007 on this field goal percentage is down. Restaurant says he can't get that shot it as easily as he once -- you believe that you agree with it yeah that's a certain extent and I think that. The thing with Paul is that you know in the past when he's struggling. These guys who don't who total line to exited city to get back on track that picked up some of those points that you felt like the 81% this year I think so I mean that's. And it's a pretty good thing is down a little bit from the last couple years but I think that's just a product of everything I think he didn't come in. And he was indeed he was in better shape than it was a star last year but I think a guy his -- it takes a little bit at times against the flow and maybe your jump shot to -- -- as -- what's gonna suffer when you're a little bit more tired that day than you used to. I mean -- foul shooting is not. The biggest concern when it comes appears ready as I think he'll I think he'll pick that up and I think the shooting ability against is averaging nineteen points a game but as rotten it's it's kind of the eye test he's just not looking smooth out there like he used to above Bruins -- given us when I -- at times. -- desperate or they're taken don't try to reach out -- item June and I digress a superintendent and don't like right exactly. Let's move on to our pass it out six minutes Rodham talked about. Starting with you -- which you gap or. Got. -- Please explain -- is. Whoever goes Gilligan's Island that was a band of -- kind of brought together on an island. Not really intense and what. Slowly but surely. They figured out how to work together that things started clicking for them that is the Boston Celtics. They have slowly but surely start to figure out ways to work together and be successful and I think it's only gonna get better with time. And you know Celtics fans that I used to the Celtics being. Hovering around 500. But folks it could be worse you could be a fan of that Titanic. Organization known until the loss at Los Angeles a little boost there really lost as those Lakers but. Who are looking so much like the Titanic that with no weapons -- be found at all. Rich which we have resentment. Marianne and ginger and and -- and. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But wait for Jeff Green to come around for the entire season. Finally coming. I am -- gonna say he's there yet he's shown signs of life is it -- the way seated at the baseline where he should have been the start the year. A guy -- his last five games that he's got doubles because. -- the way he's going to stick it to the hole is running Rondo. Outlook keeper for Saturday night. At -- and that is the kind of game within Jeff Green gives -- greens. Town on the playoffs I think -- -- everything you stood against Philadelphia that's great but I think Saturday night is is when he used to take that next step. Well he is averaging sixteen points -- -- drivers last five more -- that's five and I think most guys if you had a good number right -- CJ apprehend two. You don't want to he's not a few points behind I think what he's asked what he scored enough points to where. I think increased his false expectations he's not a sixteen points per game score based on the amount of minutes -- pleased that he's really got to be around in the twelve and nine that's we're definitely can be effective at. 56 rebounds to the mix as well that's -- jeopardy if you give you that every single night. Yeah a win that sixth sense in the games. Well everybody is when you agrees that it doesn't get -- -- zero you had again I've noticed over he wasn't alone -- because I thought that. It's -- pick Kevin Garnett who has there rebounds the first time we had that since 97 so it's not like Jeff green was right back and Jeff Jackson had a had a background seasons in Ireland suggests the early stages that -- fellas my top -- -- -- top. His cross road and I say that because the Celtics are about to embark on its three game road trip you've got Houston San Antonio and in Chicago. To me they have to go at least two and one just to get that feel good five back. I'm tired of this team winning one losing the next they need to go out on the road that's -- College -- wrote to me this is a crossroads. But this month of December go out there went to out of reach bring together some way to come back home feeling good about yourself it's time to give you out of though good try good effort all right -- -- they've had too many games like that I mean that's does this progress in his winning games and they've made progress now it's time to take the next that would. That being said on them a second -- back to back in San Antonio. Is not credited windows and in front of obvious concern as it did you do that the league can make and it's not as bad as I've got to rest his guys yesterday -- just not national TV is I don't know Bob we'll do that but. I think that that that that's the one loss we might you understand it much different -- the level he still got to play wagon right MBA taught we -- around the association. Talking about the buzz around the association -- surprise team are you investing tens through the first quarter of the didn't laugh I mean it's not a surprise that that there that they're playing well I've been plastered. You know the last like five years I think and really changed things up but. They got healthy Horford. Think it's just Matthew continues the gradually grow up become more of a leader just one player of the week. I think I think that they're playing well and would experience in the end and the depth that they have I think they're going to be around the law to say you. -- -- -- Go with the bucks I mean they are right now levels of division is up for anyone's for the taking and I think the -- have as good a chance as anybody to come out ahead. You've got a point guard Brandon Jennings who I think it's one of the better point guards in the league. And let's not forget. It's -- contract. Guys always play better at it contact you and I certainly part of his -- motivation as well and it was passed out. -- didn't -- a few more weapons now I think people have not really. Fully embrace him in this Larry Sanders is in pretty you can -- yeah well it's eleven and get you guys young guys like sandy you've got veterans like. You know it. And Monta Ellis and also the guy I'm talking about renovating it and you've got young guys getting healthy as well -- -- and -- boom -- Ilyasova has not -- -- it as the music as he needs to be yeah he's he's been a bit of a disappointment coming off. His his own contract right and I think -- He had the track where he can expect him to get better. And and the Bucs and stick around and I like Dallas Mavericks got enough of a believer in OJ Mayo it seems like he's finally found his niche and we Dirk Nowitzki gets back sure they're right around 500 let. -- like some of the pieces you know they got some retreads guys who it. Failed in the past Vince Carter Elton Brand which is throwing -- OJ Mayo that are Collison I -- like ridiculous why I talked to Rick Carlisle there because as we can we talk specifically about OJ Mayo and he said you know he knew he'd be a good where what he is far exceeded expectations that they had for. At this point his ability to be more we'll go to guy they knew you'd be. It was going to be a complimentary high score but as far as being the focal point of what they do with it but recently he's been what they're out. He's Willis about the without you know and when -- back. Can you fall back into that but he's gonna have a a lesser road it'll be a -- I mean he's not going to be any good that there is a friend that the last -- so -- -- delve into that yeah let's move on guys the buzz around the association. New face round here what that means is what guy in a new setting. Are you most impressed with the departure. This one was it was a little bit easier and I thought. -- go Rleal. Yeah I know that's an offense like Tyler and I've -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Clutch shots a lot of the stuff we've seen me in Boston. And he's really finding his minutes there I mean he's a big part of why Miami is going to still be in on fourth time. -- I'm going with another old man actually even couple years all of them and they're got the former former -- -- Jason Kidd. I mean he's he was one like you you know what when he took when the -- picked -- up that it wasn't a huge deal made of -- a good one last stop. -- did the numbers are fantastic if you that I. Point 63 and a half assists but when he is out there. -- is what if he plays that offense together. And his understanding of just the tempo and controlling your team. I think with when you look back at that the Knicks team that -- -- Jeremy Lin was a point guard for a little bit but in general they lacked leadership and that's the point guard and he's really brought that and he's not playing thirty minutes 98 point seven minutes but when he's out there I think they're they're tough to lineups are Jason Kidd and he just he just of this understands the game. There's just -- anyone in the league in and shower. And it's ironic that two former Dallas Mavericks Tyson Chandler and keep it. Jason Kidd on offense really stabilizing their franchise and I would talk about driveway Reggie Evans to me he's brought a grind. For the Brooklyn nets that they haven't had in recent years I mean sure you got an injury let you got guys like that Carol Wallace that. Just do Reggie Evans and clap your hands up big game he gets under people's did it for a guy that really doesn't score the ball. He impacts the game so much and when you look at Steve that win championships they almost all have a guy like that. Posey was kind of like that you know Dallas they they have a number of guys and they won a title Miami they had Udonis Haslem who has agreed -- -- -- like that and tonight. It is it is the guy the last couple years is hanging around him. Up until one year deals a couple of wrinkles I don't say except in an every year I think everybody I'll update this guy look great on the Celtics. And you put that this is he is like TDs Alter ego is what KG wants to be. And hey you know when he's on the court he's usually delivers only KG sort of sort of equity trades and you'd be so perfect is what they need the playoffs and that's never come together yet you haven't really heard much that night after just like the basic rumors and -- those guys I was with that really bogeys on the he's. Not just park but he's also right with them like about him are moving on guys quickly the buzz around the association. Which happens -- the Lakers get their lead together or the NHL lockout -- -- -- I guess -- got a sale Lakers ahead. Everybody LS Garcia they don't like outlawed never okay good -- -- -- actually I'm surprised that the Lakers haven't really turnaround yet. But you know and nationalities and of none of the little setback I think. I think for the last week but I got the sense that the Lakers -- okay. -- going to be vaccines the rumor is that he's going to be a savior -- -- he's been put back maybe a little bit I don't know I mean I don't like is to get his week together. First and foremost you would think all is -- That's -- the NHL is gonna do -- -- together of him before the Lakers because I think it's Ellis is closer to getting something -- and I think a lot of different. Things there. It's been I don't know tags why are you back and I. -- -- Don't have anything in his latest. I have absolutely no shape but they're gonna get together and they've got nice pieces like there it's -- he's. And you knew that I mean Jesus wouldn't it doesn't that what you were next to beat the state. Nazis yeah. Not nearly as. Here's the deal that nobody in the world knows and probably felt I don't let this is going off against everybody in the world who have national not help them defensively and that's been there -- no problem. So that's what. For his that is the way I mean he's the best that you know look at the problem is the Lakers -- gonna -- -- Kobe Bryant. See -- -- did -- defense that matador defense he'd routinely got to play. The white looking at him and -- the post I'm supposed to then yeah now why is supposed to be the boy and he's supposed to meeting got it covers up all the the failures of the -- about high pick and roll Dwight can't be up high and get back. -- on why am I so yeah. That's a tough team to the military we've we've seen -- Celtics struggling this year defensively Kevin Garnett can't defend all five positions they've been with white -- it's a great defensive player. So -- Dwight Howard but Kobe. Watch the tapes -- -- your pets I have quietly you don't know I you know I've seen at a tape I've seen a guy that nobody even that is eight can stop -- other than what. You know as well as I do a lot of times your best -- this is your office -- -- he has added an incredible score. Think you get hit I think if I. It sounds going out of the only guys out that in game I had -- got to put that out there and there's -- as it -- I'm I'm. He would I is that I guess I -- I feel they need in the middle there odd. One person -- is another sign of how unbelievable was that the Celtics in 2008. Came together as a grand unit and made it look so easy. You study teams go through this at the same struggles though the first couple months when they with when they brought. They're guys together the Lakers doing the same thing with this thing is it's never as easy as the Celtics made -- -- in. The one different routes though is that when you look back to Miami you look back at the Celtics you could see tangible signs of progress along the route that they were gonna get better -- things we're trending in the right direction. You don't see how the Lakers the white looks like he's in with the wrong team Kobe is doing -- that's ever. Says Kobe's court anything that hasn't won him a championship or two or three or why anybody have a cup around here let me ask him to -- catering. -- Gatorade over here. Yeah. They're telling me to wrap this up quickly how this -- has -- now. Steve Nash and Steve Blake has been out to me is still too early to judge -- LA team period of January if they're still struggling. Then they got some major problem but the bigger it right now I'm. That'll do it the Celtics talking yeah. -- BCS and rich underscore that means I'll hard Draper make sure you had a tough one winner aspect Celtics talk with -- later yeah. It's.