Where have we seen these Pats before?


Where have we seen these Pats before?

By Rich Levine

I was out on Friday night after the Celtics game, but no one felt like talking about the Celtics.

On one hand, you couldn't really speak positively about the team, seeing that theyd just lost to the Kevin Durant-less Thunder. On the other, it was only one loss in mid-November.

The Cs have played far too well for one bad game to initiate any level of controversy or concern. It was a tough loss. They happen. Every one was just ready to move on.

And by move on, I mean talk about the Patriots, because lately, that's all anyone in Boston wants to talk about anyway. The Pats have completely captivated the city.

How good are they? How good can they be? Is it all because of Randy? Could this have happened without the trade? Is the defense for real? Is the whole team for real?

Its what we all want to know. And after Sundays win over Indy, that want will only intensify.

In a way, it's just like old times in Patriots Nation, but another question is: Which old times?

Maybe its part of the process of convincing ourselves that this team is a legitimate Super Bowl contender. But over the past few weeks, there's been a hurry to determine which Super Bowl team theyre most like.

Who do they most resemble?

And to this point, it hasnt really been close.

"Man, this feels just like 2001."

I hear that all the time. I heard that at least three or times on Friday. In each case it was unprovoked.

And to a certain extent, I get it.

I see the lack of star power on offense and the somewhat unproven defense. I see the polarizing midseason decision (Bradys our man!Were through with Randy!) that unified the team instead of tearing it apart.

I also think its fun to compare any team to that 2001 squad because it would be amazing to experience that run all over again, and this time, to actually understand and absorb whats going on, instead of freaking out the entire time like a 13-year-old during his virgin make-out session.

Who wouldnt want to re-live the 2001 season? Why not just convince ourselves that this is it? Instinctively, I think weve all been drawn to 2001.

But theres one huge difference between the 2001 and 2010 teams that kills the comparison at least for me and gives off the vibe of a different championship run:


Back then, New England didnt know what winning was it'd been 15 years since Boston had won in any sport. So, when the Pats went along their winning ways, we never thought about pointing out the problems, the things that they could have done better or could potentially haunt them down the stretch. We were too busy obsessing over the positives. We were too busy trying to understand how the hell this team was suddenly winning football games. It didn't make sense.

The problems weren't a big deal because we already knew they existed. The good stuff! Thats what was so perplexing. That was all we cared about.

In 2010, thats clearly changed. For me, comparing 2001 and 2010 is difficult because the two teams operated, and operate, in two completely different realities. The way that we see the organization, the coach and the quarterback changed so drastically at the end of that 2001 season that I dont think anything will ever compare. That was the season that changed things forever; it will never be duplicated.

And obviously, none of the three Patriots Super Bowl seasons will be duplicated, but if you're looking for the closest thing to this year, just set your DeLorian to 2003 instead of 2001. Then you'll wonder if thats not whats currently unfolding in Foxboro.

You look back on that 2003 season, you see the 14-2 record, and you feel like it was pretty easy. You want to think it was just like 2004, and combine those two seasons together. But they were so different. 2004 was pure dominance; 2003 was, well a lot like 2010.

The Patriots' historic win streak started in Week 5 of that season the same week these Patriots traded Randy Moss this year. The Pats were already 2-2, had been through the disappointment of choking in the post-Super Bowl year, the emotions of the Lawyer Milloy move and the drama surrounding Tom Jacksons big month.

Their win over the Titans that day wasnt pretty. They actually trailed in the fourth quarter while most of the fans were wrapped up in the SoxAs playoff game taking place at Fenway before Ty Laws late pick six sealed the victory. Good win, but not their greatest effort.

A week later, Tom Brady had 91 net passing yards in a win over the Giants. The next week, Olindo Mares missed field goal allowed Brady to find Troy Brown deep in overtime. The next week, the Pats never found the end zone in an ugly 9-3 win over the 3-4 Browns. The next week, a late intentional safety was the key play in New England stealing a Monday night win in Mile High. The next week, they eked out a 12-0 win at home over the Cowboys. The next week, they needed overtime in Houston to beat the 4-6 Texans.

By the time Patriots beat the Colts in the famous "Goal Line Stand" game in November of 2003, it marked New Englands eighth straight win on the season. Theyd go on to win 13 more in a row after that, but at the time we had no idea.

All we knew was that they were a team that somehow always found a way to win. Winning pretty? That had nothing to do with it. For the 2003 Pats, the idea of playing a complete game was as foreign as Semih Erden. Each time they took the field, theyd give us flashes of greatness and glimpses of all their flaws.

We could find something wrong with every win they had. There was always something they could have done better; there was always a way that they could be better. But while they spent each week exposing various potential problems, they kept winning. They could struggle all afternoon, but when the game was on the line, and the play needed to be made the 2003 Patriots made it.

They were never perfect until they had to be.

And after Sundays latest historic showdown with the Colts, were starting to get there with the 2010 Patriots.

At this point, were no longer surprised by their ability to win the big games like we still were every single time with that 2001 team. We expect them to do so.

It's never easy. So far, almost every game has been surrounded with some cloud of doubt. Even in the post-Randy Era. We wished the offense was more effective (especially in OT) against the Ravens. We wished they hadnt let the Chargers hang around so late in San Diego. Same goes for the Vikings; that game was uglier Josh Cribbs toe x-rays. Which brings us to Cleveland that was one big mess. And then Pittsburgh OK, maybe that was a pretty complete game, if not for that lack of killer instinct. And then yesterday against Indy, after the Patriots nearly coughed up another huge lead to Peyton, many Pats fans were left thinking:

"OK, its great to get that win there, but that didn't leave a great taste in my mouth."

It never does, but an ugly win still tastes a lot better than a loss of any kind. And aside from that one clunker in Cleveland which wasn't really about coming up short in big moments, but more just never coming to play in the first place the Patriots always do enough. They expose their own flaws and learn more about themselves every week, but nearly every week, they do so in victory. And at some point, that's no longer an accident.

Every team in this league has issues, but the great teams are the ones whose flaws aren't so glaring that they overshadow their strengths. I know that's a pretty basic point, but it's the truth. This team isn't perfect. There will always be something to complain about; something that they can do better. Unlike in 2001, we can't look past that stuff anymore. We've now been to the top. Winning is no longer a privilege; it's just the expectation.

But just like that team in 2003, the 2010 Pats continue to meet that expectation. And as long as they do, what more can we ask for?

Nothing, I guess. Expect for maybe the chance, someday in the future, to look at a team and say: "You know, these guys remind me a lot of the 2010 Pats. I think we're in for something special."

Rich Levine's column runs each Monday, Wednesday and Friday on CSNNE.com. Rich can be reached at rlevine@comcastsportsnet.com. Follow Rich on Twitter at http:twitter.comrlevine33

It's official: Patriots nab third-round compensatory pick in Collins trade


It's official: Patriots nab third-round compensatory pick in Collins trade

The Patriots received a conditional fourth-round pick in 2018 from the Browns in return for Jamie Collins. That's how the trade was described on the league's transaction wire. 

The "condition" of that fourth-rounder? Well, if the Browns received a third-round compensatory pick in 2017, the Patriots would nab that pick instead. 

On Friday, the NFL announced that the Browns had in fact been awarded a third-round compensatory pick, which meant that almost three full weeks after Super Bowl LI, everything was still coming up Patriots.

In actuality, the odds were pretty good all along that the Patriots would get what they got

Cleveland lost Pro Bowl center Alex Mack in free agency last offseason when he opted to sign with the Falcons. Because compensatory picks are based on free agents lost and free agents acquired, and because the Browns did not sign any similarly-impactful free agents, there was a good chance Mack's departure would render a third-round comp pick that would be shipped to New England.

Had Mack suffered a significant injury that forced his play to drop off or limited his time on the field, a third-rounder may have been out of the question, but he played well (named a Pro Bowler and a Second Team All-Pro) and stayed healthy -- lucky for the Patriots -- missing just 17 total snaps in the regular season. 

The Browns comp pick that will be sent to New England is No. 103 overall. The Patriots were also awarded a fifth-round comp pick, No. 185 overall. That was a result of the league weighing the departures of Akiem Hicks and Tavon Wilson against the arrival of Shea McClellin.

The Patriots now have nine selections in this year's draft: One first-rounder; one second-rounder; two third-rounders; one fourth-rounder*; two fifth-rounders; two seventh-rounders.

The third-round compensatory pick acquired by the Patriots carries additional value this year in that it is the first year in which compensatory picks can be traded. A near top-100 overall selection may allow the Patriots to move up the draft board or build assets in the middle rounds should they be inclined to deal. And we know they oftentimes are. 

* The Patriots forfeited their highest fourth-round selection in this year's draft as part of their Deflategate punishment. They acquired a fourth-round pick from the Seahawks last year. Because that would have been the higher of their two selections, that's the one they'll lose. They will make their own fourth-round pick at No. 137 overall.

Gronkowski says he has 'no doubt' he'll be ready for start of next season

Gronkowski says he has 'no doubt' he'll be ready for start of next season

When it comes to projecting Rob Gronkowski's health, it's been best to steer clear of absolutes. There have been too many injuries, too many surgeries, to predict exactly how he'll feel months in advance. 

Still, in speaking with ESPN's Cari Champion recently, he said he had "no doubt" he'll be ready for Week 1 of the 2017 regular season. 

"Yes, for sure," he replied when asked if he expected to be good to go. 

Gronkowski also fielded a question about his long-term future in the sit-down. Lately it's been his coach Bill Belichick and his quarterback Tom  Brady who receiver all the life-after-football queries, but Gronkowski, 27, was asked how much longer he'd like to play. 

"I’m not really sure," he said. "I mean, I still love playing the game, and as of right now, I want to play as long as I possibly could play. My mindset is to keep on going."

Gronkowski landed on season-ending injured reserve in December after undergoing a procedure on his back -- his third back surgery since 2009. He's had nine reported surgeries -- including procedures on his knee, forearm and ankle -- since his final year at the University of Arizona.